August 29, 2007
Pet peeve of the week-make that the year

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While walking through a Portland neighborhood with a client, who just happens to be a huge muscular Pitbull/Mastiff rescue with a prior history of aggression and abuse, we came upon this dog fence running on an electric fence.

This dog is in FRONT of her fenced in yard. Apparently this family just lets the dog out the front door and the she runs the invisible fence line most of the day.
This is a recipe for disaster. Not only is the dog practicing unwanted OCD behaviors all day, but one of these days I can guarantee she will charge the wrong dog. Dogs out walking do not understand that the other dogs have invisible boundaries. If the dog on the electric fence gets zapped, over time she will make bad associations with approaching dogs and people, and it will lead to aggression. Notice I didn't say can, but in this case, I met a time bomb. Legally I am pretty sure that the dog is on city property and technically breaking the leash law.

To make matters worse, she lives on a corner lot!

Had we approached from the other angle and had that dog come running around the corner at us at full speed, as she always does, there may have been a serious dog fight-and no doubt public sentiment would have been against my client, the Pitty, who was just minding his own business. My client reacted better(or should I say DIDN"T react), than either one of my dogs would have under those circumstances. Thankfully she didn't stick around to meet and greet us and continued on her frenzied way.

I will never understand the need for people to have their electric fences run down to the street. If you feel the need to use electric fences, and no I don't like them, why on earth would anyone allow their unsupervised dog access to the sidewalk and near a road?

When we were walking back home, we were just about to cross the street to avoid the lab's property when she came snarling and growling at us from inside the wooden fence. That did set my client's dog off, but he was easily redirected. That Lab spends all day in a high state of arousal and she is time bomb.
If my client's dog had bit her nose through the fence, whose fault would it have been?


A local vet I know wired the front of his house like half a figure eight. If case the dogs get out the front door, they have a small space in which they can get in to the back yard. That makes quite a bit more sense to me than this!!!

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A few years back I had a foster dog here over night. My son was walking her on my street when my neighbors let their 2 dogs out who are both on electric fences. The two dogs barreled around the house and came charging at my foster dog full tilt and a dog fight ensued. I love my neighbors, and their dogs and I still feel really bad about the fight, but technically my dog was on leash minding her own business and she was attacked. The foster dog nearly killed one of the neighbor's dogs with a bite near an artery, and to this day he walks with a limp. The rescue paid the other dog's vet bill, but we could not place the dog due to the fight, and she was returned to the family. I agonized over putting that dog to sleep due to the severe damage she inflicted to my neighbor's dog. Families relinquishing dogs do not always tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and we wil never know if she had a prior history of dog fighting, but in the end, we felt she deserved another chance due to the electric fence circumstances.

Let today's blog serve as a reminder that dogs do not understand that OTHER dogs are behind an invisible barrier and you need to supervise your dogs!

In many ways dogs are like toddlers-left to their own devices, they make bad choices.

Posted by Nancy Freedman-Smith at 06:32 AM
Comments

Ok, am I missing something? Don't I see a conventional fence BEHIND this poor dog? What would possess someone to have the dog running in what amounts to a chute between an electric fence and a wooden one? Doesn't it make more sense to have the poor creature IN your yard? I also dislike underground fences since they do not protect the resident dog from anything that might choose to stray into the yard...such as another dog or a child. Good grief...some people don't seem to have the brains that God gave rocks!

Posted by Mary Ann
August 29, 2007 08:46 AM

and these people have a dog - why?

Posted by sue laplant
August 29, 2007 12:04 PM

I hate electric fences in general as I feel that they do not protect animals on their own property from outside attack = case in point - yesterday a Pom was attacked by in my area by four pit bulls running lose and the Pom was in it's own yard. Pom is now dead and now the four Pits are going to be put down - the owner of the Pits should not have let them loose but the Pom owner should have had a fence up to protect her dog also - all the dogs loose!!!

Posted by Morgan
August 29, 2007 02:02 PM

You're right, Morgan, all the dogs lose but it's the pits that will be blamed, not the Pom owner for leaving her dog unattended or the pit owner for allowing the dogs to run!
I'm so glad you brought this up, Nancy, it is something that has always bothered me yet the owners of these fences don't seem to see a problem looming.........duh!

Posted by Betti
August 29, 2007 02:24 PM

One of my dearest friends shows Bullies (Pit Bulls) My kids - and countless other kids - have climbed all over her dogs and been bathed with kisses. Raised with *love* they are wonderful dogs, and it's such a shame when one is put in jeopardy because of the ignorance of a pet owner who has the (not enough!) brains to put the electric fence OUTSIDE of the wooden fence!

Posted by Dagny
August 29, 2007 02:36 PM

I couldn't agree more, Nancy, thank you for sharing. I am so tired of lazy people who let their dogs off leash. I have 2 well-trained, S/N'd, rescued pit bull type dogs who are always on leash and I take out one at a time. It seems like every week they get charged by an off leash dog in an aggressive manner and of course if an altercation ensues it is my fault. These other dogs rarely even have a collar on!! It makes me sick.

To all the lazy and irresponsible people who let their dogs off leash out there -- if your dog is bitten by a leashed dog it is ABSOLUTELY your fault, because you are violating the law. Where I live it is a crime punishable by a 90-day jail sentence and $750 fine, as it should be. If you can't be bothered to train your dog to walk nicely on a leash, then build a fence, or take your dog running, but don't put me and my dogs at risk simply because you are complacent

Posted by Daniel
August 30, 2007 12:30 PM

I would not hestitate to call an ACO as I also suspect the dog is on city property. I further agree that the siutation is potentially dangerous. The dog is allowed to constantly self-reinforce her behavior. Not only that, but she has no saftey space/place to go to destress. She's caught in a space bewteen two fences, subjected to intrusive stimulii. Her adrenaline level must just build and build. Too much can go wrong, and if the stimulus is strong enough, an electronic fence will not stop a determined dog from going through it.
I would be raising a stink with the City if I were walking any or all of my dogs on lead and found us subjected to that dog. First thing I did when I bought my house was have a chain link fence installed. It's 70' by 50' and set back from the road 45-50' on one side and 50-60' on the other ( it's a corner lot) so that walkers, bicyclists, and joggers can pass the property without having my dogs in their faces, so to speak. I have one dog that will run the fence and bark, and I work constantly with him using positive reinforcement to keep him from being obnoxious, mostly because I can't stand the behavior myself!

Posted by Deb
August 30, 2007 02:46 PM

Thanks for raising the electric fence issue. While I think they can work in rural areas, where other dogs won't be walking by, I think they're a recipe for trouble in the city. As you point out, dogs walking by on-leash don't know there's a fence. And too often, they cause dog aggression: when the dog goes to a dog walking near his property to say "hello," he gets zapped, and sometimes learns to associate the negative punishment with other dogs. Thus, a dog-to-dog aggression problem is born.

Posted by Muttlover
August 31, 2007 11:32 AM

I just want to point out what Deb said (because you said it a heck of lot better than I ever could!) - "Not only that, but she has no saftey space/place to go to destress. She's caught in a space bewteen two fences, subjected to intrusive stimulii. Her adrenaline level must just build and build."

Could you imagine that dog's mindset by now?

Posted by Dagny
August 31, 2007 06:22 PM

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